The Chess Mind

Author: Dennis Monokroussos.
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More on the Failed UEP Kramnik-Topalov Match

See here and here. The first document, from the Topalov team, is simply maddening - especially in its first reason for rejecting Kramnik's match offer:

1. [1] We do not recognise Mr. Kramnik as a champion. [2] The World Champion’s title belongs by law to FIDE and, after his refusal to participate in the official World Championship in San Luis, Mr. Kramnik automatically lost his right to be designated the World Champion. [3] However, by the looks of it, he has decided to seize the title for the rest of his life. [4] Let us remember that he’s only 7th in the World Ranking list, scoring quite mediocre results recently. [5] At the same time, in addition to being the official World Champion, Veselin Topalov is Number 1 in the World Ranking List of 1 January 2006. [Sentence numbers added.]

It's like shooting fish in a barrel, but let's critique this anyway, just for fun.

Let's start with [2]. Appropriately enough, it is plagued with two serious problems. First, what "law" is this that conferred ownership of the World Championship title on FIDE? Did FIDE fail to sue the PCA in 1993 and 1995, BrainGames in 2000 and Dannemann in 2004 - all claiming to run world chess championships - solely out of the goodness of their organizational hearts? And what about the Accoona "World Championship" in New York earlier this year?

Worse still, [2] is at least implicitly self-contradictory. The suggestion at least seems to be that Kramnik had the right to be called "World Champion" prior to San Luis, even though Kramnik's title had nothing at all to do with FIDE. Go figure.

Now let's briefly consider the peerless thinking displayed by [3]. It's strange that Danailov would blame Kramnik for trying to possess the World Championship title for the rest of his life. For one thing, Kramnik doesn't have a title - doesn't Danailov remember his previous sentence? Second, should we infer from this that Topalov's aim is to lose the title as quickly as possible?

Let's be charitable and assume Topalov's manager really means to say that Kramnik is going to try to keep what the latter wrongly thinks is his title, without bothering to defend it, for as long as he possibly can. That's at least coherent, but is it plausible? Hardly. It was just one year ago that Kramnik defended his title, and it has been Kramnik, not Topalov, who has been pursuing the unification match.

Finally, sentence [4] is true but not obviously relevant (and partially addressed by yours truly in an earlier post), while [5] is also irrelevant and - I think - false. My understanding is that Kasparov won't drop off the rating list until he has been inactive for an entire year, and that doesn't occur until March.

I'm sure this is a P.R. attempt to seize the high ground in future negotiations for the title, but it would be better, in view, if the participants and organizations stopped trying to emulate pro boxing and wrestling. If I'm Topalov, I want to show the world that I'm the champion, period. It would increase his stature, please the chess world, do wonders for his legacy and raise the prestige of the game by dissolving the factions. And as an added bonus, he gets a nice payday and the chance to cash in by beating up on Kramnik, the merely 7th-ranked player with the mediocre results.

Related Posts (on one page):

  1. More on the Failed UEP Kramnik-Topalov Match
  2. A Setback for Reunification
Posted by Dennis Monokroussos on Wednesday November 16, 2005 at 9:28pm
miket (mail):
I perhaps have slightly more sympathy for the Topalov case than the author though agreeing that the case has been poorly put by the Toplaov camp.

Kramnik would have to be accepted as World Champion de facto after the Kasparov match and provided a qualification cycle which culminated in the frankly disappointing Leko match. Since then Kramnik has done nothing to produce a legitimate cycle of qualification matches and there seems little or no prospect of one.How long can he go on claiming to be world champion in these circumstances?

The problem is that he has now opted out of the Fide cycle which was in a format that was both enjoyable and seemed to provide a legitimate champion??[ I realise the issues with that last statement].

The truth is that top class chess desperately needs a recognised champion in the post Kasparov era and I concur in the hope that a Topalov-Kramnik match is on the cards.
11.17.2005 4:39am
supergrobi:
I think one of the main problems is that FIDE wants to skip matches entirely. Personally I can accept a tournament for qualification purposes but not directly for the title. Exceptions might be the more or less sudden disappearance of the reigning champion in one way or the other (Alekhine, Fischer), but we still have a (classical) world champion with Kramnik who is willing to play. Maybe Danailov wants to enter the chess books as the man who ended the classical line of world champions—who knows if Ponomariov would have played Kasparov without him...

(I don't know why Kasparov says that Kramnik is history and Topalov the new champion. Maybe he is tired of writing books on that topic and doesn't want to make more money with a "my great successors" series? This is of course a rhethorical question. Everybody knows how frustrated Kasparov is because he didn't get a rematch vs. Kramnik. Sadly enough this is his own fault by relinquishing the rematch clause. Btw, sorry for my poor English, I'm not a native English speaker.)
11.17.2005 5:16am
acirce (mail):
"Since then Kramnik has done nothing to produce a legitimate cycle of qualification matches and there seems little or no prospect of one."

People putting this argument forward never explain why Kramnik would produce a cycle of his own while unification is still an issue. That would be an act of sabotage.
11.17.2005 9:15am
Bret Helm:
Topalov is correct. Kramnik needs to get over himself!
11.17.2005 3:44pm
Dennis Monokroussos:
There are many people who need to get over themselves - maybe all of us sometimes! - but I don't see either how that's relevant to the negotiations or any coherent way in which that's argued in the passage I cited. Like Kramnik, dislike him; that's fine. But a lousy argument is still a lousy argument, whether it supports your side or not.
11.17.2005 7:14pm
Bret Helm:
I don't find it a lousy argument, Dennis. If Kramnik weren't given a chance to play in San Luis, then that is one thing. But, the way I understand it, he was. He apparently thought that a legitimate competition against his peers was beneath him and that he was entitled to a match against Topalov. That sounds sort of prima donna to me. I find it admirable that Topalov turned down some serious money just on principle. Don't get me wrong. I do not dislike Kramnik. However, I believe that he was being very presumptious to think he was entitled, as if by fiat, to challenge the winner there to a championship title.
11.18.2005 11:03am
Dennis Monokroussos:
Hi Bret,

Two quick responses. First, Topalov isn't qualifying for Kramnik's half of the title, either, which is the main point. It's not because Kramnik is tall or popular that he's got a stake in reunification, but because he's a title-holder. Both Topalov and Danailov have recognized Kramnik's title as legitimate, and not once in the history of chess has a title been stripped based on "recent mediocre results". Second, even if there is a good argument to be had in this neighborhood, it wasn't made by Danailov in the passage I cite.

For more on this, see today's post, here.
11.18.2005 2:07pm
Bret Helm:
Fair enough, but it's my own personal viewpoint that the title of champion should be awarded in a rigorous tournament against the highest rated players in the world. I don't feel Kramnik should be able to sit on the sidelines while his peers competed for the FIDE title in San Luis. You are right in that it's not been done that way historically, but I think it would result in the fairest determination of who really deserves the title of world champion.

The current system, as you describe is akin to professional boxing where the challenger has to fight a slew of opponents before getting a chance to fight the current title holder. The way I describe is more like the tough man competitions where no matter who wins what, for each competition every competitor starts at point zero. I view that as the more correct way to do it as it results in a more robust determination of the winner.
11.18.2005 2:40pm
Dennis Monokroussos:
Bret,

Your desire to see the title determined by tournaments is reasonable. It also has nothing to do with either the Topalov/Danailov argument against Kramnik nor their proposal to defend the title by matches with 2700s willing to pony up the dough. The attacks on Kramnik are also misplaced: if avoiding competition makes one a "weenie", as you put it in a comment I deleted, then it may be time to wrap Topalov in a bun.

Finally, Topalov recognized the legitimacy of Kramnik's title when he competed in that cycle, Danailov repeatedly recognized it, even after San Luis, before Topalov induced his current state of amnesia. Further, FIDE had intended reunification for at least the last three years. So whatever virtues San Luis had, it doesn't make Kramnik's title magically disappear: it never rested on that event, and participation therein was never part of any agreement.

On the other hand, Kramnik has allowed that the title will be unified under FIDE after such a match takes place, when FIDE will decide if the title will be awarded via a tournament, match, or a bake-off with the Iron Chef. So the only impediment to a happy ending is Topalov, who would rush to play such a match, I think, if his career score vs. Kramnik wasn't so horrible.
11.18.2005 5:38pm
capatal (mail):
We think your statement that Topalov would rush to play
a kramnik match-if his career score vs. Kramnik wasn't
so horrible-is exactly right Dennis.( chicken feather
syndrome ? )
11.20.2005 1:55am
acirce (mail):
Trying to read Topalov's mind can be tough. I don't think it has to be about being afraid to lose more than about being so loyal to FIDE. If Kasparov or Anand challenged him through FIDE's new "Interim World Championship Match" rules (according to which you can simply buy a shot at the title as long as you're rated above 2700) he'd probably accept. (We'll, he'd have to, since it seems to be FIDE that decides according to the published rules.)
11.20.2005 6:24am