As many of you who have been reading the comments to my post on Clint Ballard's BAP system have probably noticed, the inventor himself has weighed in with a pair of long replies. (Here and here.) A massive reply is forthcoming, but I first wish to take care of some housekeeping.
Ballard seems to take a rather dim view of this blog and its participants (at least where the BAP system is concerned), but then hopes that although we're probably incapable of rational discussion, we won't censor him. (An ironic request, as his website includes his responses to this blog (here and here), but without mentioning the blog or linking to my and others' critiques.) Now, as any long-time reader of this blog will acknowledge, I don't censor comments or commentators for disagreeing with me. (Fewer than five people have been banned from commenting in the 16+ months I've been at it, and it wasn't because of disagreement over content.) That said, getting banned is not impossible: I will oust individuals who are persistently belligerent or seem to deliberately misrepresent others' work. Here are some examples of the sort of thing I insist on avoiding if discussion of these matters is to continue on my site.
Ballard: Since this thread has material inaccuracies, thinly veiled personal attacks and even an example by the moderator with the intentionally derogative acronym of "CRAP", it is clear that there is a lot of animosity and downright hatred toward my BAP system. I doubt that a rational discussion is possible and I am used to that, but I will present FACTS for the unbiased reader to consider and hope it won't get censored. Of course, all the critics will accuse me of being irrational because I won't simply agree with 100% of what they say, even if they are accusing me of being disingenuous, that I am conducting tournaments that should be banned, etc.
First, I engaged in no personal attacks whatsoever; in fact, I (and several others) praised Ballard for putting up a substantial amount of his own money in support of his system. I'm deeply skeptical of that system - no "thin veil" there! - but the man himself was not attacked. As for Jacobs' comment, in which he labeled Ballard's insistence that the BAP system is a new pairing method rather than a rule change "disingenuous", I leave that discussion to the two of them. (But note that Jacobs also praises Ballard for his sincerity, his willingness to invest his time and money and calls him a gentleman.) So it's an extremely thin "attack" - and it's not attacks, plural.
Second, no one called Ballard "irrational" - I and most of the commentators merely disagreed with his proposal and its motivations.
Third, no one called for BAP events to be banned; objectors merely wished that they not be rated.
Another quote:
Also, saying that a white draw is the same as a white loss is also incorrect, though understandable error. BAP is not a zero-sum point system. The effect of white drawing has a 2 BAP change to the overall point pool relative to a white loss. White winning has a 3 BAP difference relative to a white draw. Black winning has a 2 BAP difference relative to Black drawing. Black drawing has a 3 BAP difference relative to black losing. If you are going to comment on BAP math, please use the correct numbers.
Who made that claim? I didn't and neither did any of the commentators; in fact, my argument against BAP based on the attractiveness of last-round bribes rests precisely on the fact that while White's score doesn't change with a loss or a draw, Black's most certainly does. My argument went like this:
Last round pairings:
1. White (17) vs. Black (18)
2. White (18) vs. Black (17)Given normal tournament prize structures, White on board 1 has good reason to take a dive, especially if he thinks he can't win. Only Black on board 1 has first place in his own hands; no one else can guarantee himself even a tie for first. (Board 1-White can't, because if both he and board 2-Black win, the latter gets it; board 2-White and board 2-Black can't, because Board 1-Black outscores either with a win.) The correct numbers were used.
More Ballard:
"indicating that the draw "problem" is not caused by GMs' nearly perfect understanding of the game" [DM:he's citing me here] This statement makes the implication that GM's have solved chess! Gee, I must have missed that announcement. Was it my imagination that Hydra DEMOLISHED Adams? One of the top 10 players in the world at the time, not prone to losing, got killed. The only draw was by agreement of the operators of Hydra, even though Hydra itself thought it was winning. Since Hydra is better than the GM's, shouldn't we have seen if it could find the win? So, with an actual result of 5.5/6 vs. Adams and maybe it should have been 6 out of 6, it boggles the mind that claims are being made seriously that human GM's have a nearly perfect understanding of the game.
I was summarizing Ballard's position here - I was making a statement that agreed with his! According to Ballard, a big reason why there are so many draws is that players are insufficiently motivated to fight for a win. If the problem was instead that GMs just knew too much, then computers, which play stronger chess than human GMs, would have an even higher percentage of draws. It's just the opposite, however, a point I summarized by saying that the problem is not caused by GMs nearly perfect understanding of the game (the antithesis of Ballard's view), precisely because their understanding isn't nearly perfect, or not close enough! That point could have been made more explicit, but there isn't anything else I could have meant in the original quotation:
Ballard offers a brief historical excursus recalling the days when draws were automatically replayed, notes that there are few draws in computer chess (indicating that the draw "problem" is not caused by GMs' nearly perfect understanding of the game)...
If my point (summarizing Ballard) wasn't to contrast computers with humans, with the presupposition that computers are stronger than we are, then the whole passage is a mystery.
So: If you wish to have a forum for your views here, then read others' objections with the same care you request for your own arguments. A little humor's fine, disagreement is perfectly okay, but misrepresentation isn't.
Related Posts (on one page):
- Is BAP Chess = Chess?
- The"BAP" System Revisited: A Prelude